The Non-Identity Problem by Duncan Purves, Euthanasia, or Mercy Killing by Nathan Nobis, Camus on the Absurd: The Myth of Sisyphus by Erik Van Aken, Is Immortality Desirable? [11] For discussion of thick and thin personhood see Frederik Kaufman, “Pre-Vital and Post-Mortem Non-Existence,” American Philosophical Quarterly, 36, (1999), pp. Surely death is bad if it deprives us of the goods of life. [5] That is, we could simply have a preference for the future.[6]. While … Epicurus was born around 341 B.C.E., seven years after Plato's death, and grew up in the Athenian colony of Samos, an island in the Mediterranean Sea. The former is clearly a misfortune, whereas it is hard to see the latter that way. The problem of Lucretius was to render the bald and abstract Greek prose of Epicurus into Latin hexameters at a time when Latin had no philosophical vocabulary. This seems to be a case in which, if the parents had implanted this same embryo earlier, the same person would have had an earlier origin…If this is right, there are some people who could have come into existence earlier than they did. Unless we can somehow push, We cannot be deprived of impossible things, such as the cake we ate yesterday. See my “Coming Into and Going Out of Existence,” in, Camus on the Absurd: The Myth of Sisyphus, Possibility and Necessity: An Introduction to Modality. [5] Anthony Brueckner and John Martin Fischer, “Why Death is Bad,” Philosophical Studies 50 (1986) pp. [14] The sense of “possible” here may be controversial. [14] If so, this answers Lucretius. Lucretius’ claim is that our preference is irrational, since the two periods of non-existence are symmetrical, so we should have similar attitudes toward them. Luper, Steven, “Death”, The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2019 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed. Fear is rational only for something bad. Fear of death causes extreme anxiety, thus ruining our lives. The Daniel Browne 1734 English translation of Lucretius's On The Nature of Things. That the lateness of our birth could be as tragic as our untimely death is even harder to accept than Lucretius’ recommendation that we become indifferent to death. It is important to note that all three accounts are assuming the soul ceases to exist when the body perishes. Lucretius, in full Titus Lucretius Carus, (flourished 1st century bce), Latin poet and philosopher known for his single, long poem, De rerum natura (On the Nature of Things). Look back again to see how the past ages of everlasting time, before we were born, have been as naught to us. This way one can realize imperturbability, equally to the gods. But if it does deprive us of good experiences, then it is bad because it is bad to be deprived of any good. Tenets of Epicureanism- Friendship, Pleasure (moderate, not hedonist,) No Fear of Death, Atomism. 927. This is no idle issue. While she checks on your status, it is clear that you prefer to have the pleasure tomorrow. An epicurist should strive to keep his needs as small as possible, in order not to be less disappointed when they cannot be realized. Feldman, Fred, “Some Puzzles About the Evil of Death,” Philosophical Review 100.2, April (1991) pp. Justice (one should follow the rules who make community life possible) and friendship (which gives us much joy) are in these cases especially useful. If my proposal is right, this emotional asymmetry is irrational. Epicurus founded his first philosophical schools in Mytilene and Lampsacus, before moving to Athens around 306 B.C.E. Since it is impossible for thick persons to exist earlier than they do, one cannot be deprived of time before birth. The Epicurean school was very much a “society of friends.” Is it not a calmer rest than any sleep? Epicurus, Letter to Menoeceus, Principal Doctrines, Library of Liberal Arts, Russel Geer, tr., (1978). The deprivation account is the most popular explanation for why death is bad, when it is bad. 5. Common sense has long recoiled to Epicurus. However, since no one fears missing out on time before they were born, they should not fear missing out on time after they die. So the embryo could have been implanted earlier, which would have resulted in the same human organism as the later implanted embryo, but would it have given rise to the same person? To miss out on time alive by dying in a car crash tomorrow hardly compares with missing out on time alive because the Milky Way formed later rather than earlier. ), URL = . My suggestion is that in the present case the latter course would be preferable. Dying can be awful and so rightly feared. Epicurus & Lucretius by: P. Dionysius Mus When in the fourth century BC the Greek city-states become part of the empire of Alexander the Great and his successors, the Greek ideal of autonomy and self-government has ended, together with the typical feeling of Greek men to be an actual link in the government of their city or community. 88-102. How, for example, could I have met my wife before she was born? If Epicurus and Lucretius are right, then fear of death is irrational. 205-27. [4] Fred Feldman, “Some Puzzles About the Evil of Death,” Philosophical Review 100.2, April 1991 205-27 (reprinted in David Benatar, Life, Death, and Meaning, Roman and Littlefield, 2004, p. 234), holds that we should try to view our births in the same way we view our deaths: There are, after all, two ways in which we can rectify the apparently irrational emotional asymmetry [between late birth and early death]. The shared account of Epicurus and Lucretius unravel the merit of death, in the Philosophy and Death. [3] Lucretius, On the Nature of Things, trans. In contrast to modern thought on the subject, he did not believe that new species evolved from previously existing ones and denied that modern animals, which dwell on land, derived from marine ancestors. Word count: 987. But they worried that conceiving a child when they were older would carry a higher risk that their child would have a congenital defect. 213-226, p. 216) asks us to: [C]onsider someone who is the product of in vitro fertilization (IVF). Some writings by Epicurus have survived. Common sense has long recoiled to Epicurus. Episode Forty of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. Most people think dying would be bad for them and so they fear it. said about Epicurus when his works were still around. Indeed, much of what is known about Epicurian Philosophy is deduced from what other Ancient thinkers (Cicero, Lucretius, Diogenes, etc.) Lucretius challen… How we face the prospect of our own death is perhaps the greatest quandary of the human condition. Fear is rational only for something bad. Kaufman, Frederik, “Pre-Vital and Post-Mortem Non-Existence,”. by Felipe Pereira, Possibility and Necessity: An Introduction to Modality by Andre Leo Rusavuk, Frederik Kaufman is a Professor in the Department of Philosophy and Religion at Ithaca College. Enter your email address to follow this page and receive notifications of new essays by email. Lucretius, a committed Epicurean, expresses gratitude to his mentor for freeing him from the fear of death that afflicts so many people, causing them to lead desperate lives and to do awful things; On the Nature of Things, Bk II, p. 65, Cecil Bailey, tr, Oxford University Press, 1950: Sweet it is, when on the great sea the winds are buffeting the waters, to gaze from the land on another’s great struggles; not because it is pleasure or joy that any one should be distressed, but because it is sweet to perceive from what misfortune you yourself are free. So even if it is possible for the Milky Way to have formed earlier than it did, one is not deprived of that additional possible time simply because the Milky Way did not form earlier than it could have. But sometimes it is necessary to contact other people. , Travis Timmerman and Michael Cholbi, eds, Routledge 2020. The issues of this case lead to what’s called “the non-identity problem”: for an introduction, see The Non-Identity Problem by Duncan Purves. Lucretius De Rerum Natura or On The Nature Of Things (c. 50 BCE) We know essentially nothing about Titus Lucretius Carus, the author of this book, aside from the fact that the book was being read by 54 BCE and that its philosophy belongs originally to the Greek philosopher Epicurus. This chapter is concerned with Lucretius' and Epicurus' accounts of the origins of cosmological and meteorological phenomena as natural events rather than caused by the gods. Is Death Bad? Call this our “thick personhood,” to distinguish it from the bare human organism shorn of one’s biographical life. BIOGRAPHY of Epicurus. Lucretius Today is a podcast dedicated to learning Epicurean philosophy through study of the poet Lucretius, who lived in the age of Julius Caesar and wrote "On The Nature of Things," the only complete presentation of Epicurus' ideas left to us from the ancient world. He argues that death— as the permanent extinction of consciousness—is not bad, so we should not fear it. Their understanding of life and what happens when it ceases, is the distinguishing factor. The Ethics of Abortion – 1000-Word Philosophy: An Introductory Anthology, Euthanasia, or Mercy Killing – 1000-Word Philosophy: An Introductory Anthology, The Death Penalty – 1000-Word Philosophy: An Introductory Anthology, The Badness of Death – 1000-Word Philosophy: An Introductory Anthology, The Non-Identity Problem – 1000-Word Philosophy: An Introductory Anthology, Is Immortality Desirable? We cannot be deprived of impossible things, such as the cake we ate yesterday. Leucippus (5th c. BCE) is the earliest figure whose commitment toatomism is well attested. , trans. [10], We care about the details of our lives. It is popular because it is intuitively correct, but like many seemingly obvious views in philosophy it requires more intellectual effort to establish than anyone ever imagined, as these books demonstrate. We care about the details of our lives. LUCRETIUS, EPICURUS AND EPICUREANISM. Lucretius (c. 99 BCE?c. Death is a perennial topic for philosophy, but since Nagel’s article there has been a great deal of interest in the metaphysical and ethical questions surrounding death. These then nature holds up to us as a mirror of the time that is to come, when we are dead and gone. 213-21. How, for example, could I have met my wife before she was born? By Jefferson’s times, Lucretius and Epicurus were already part of the Western Canon. Lucretius, a committed Epicurean, expresses gratitude to his mentor for freeing him from the fear of death that afflicts so many people, causing them to lead desperate lives and to do awful things; The issues of this case lead to what’s called “the non-identity problem”: for an introduction, see, In response, I, following Nagel, argue that we must put some limits on how possible a possibility must be for its non-realization to count as a misfortune. Lucretius can even agree that we are biased toward the future; that, he would say, is the problem! ), URL = . Brueckner and Fischer think that we could be born earlier than we were, but since we have a bias toward the future, we are indifferent to goods that we missed by being born when we were. Lucretius - Lucretius - Literary qualities of the poem: The linguistic style and spirit of the poem are notable. , Library of Liberal Arts, Russel Geer, tr., (1978). In response, I, following Nagel, argue that we must put some limits on how possible a possibility must be for its non-realization to count as a misfortune. 1-19. Titus Lucretius Carus, about 90- 55 B.C.E., the author of On the Nature of Things. 2) Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC-43 BC) was a Roman philosopher, politician, etc. For if we say that death is bad because it deprives us of time alive, then when we were born also deprives us of time alive, since we could have been born earlier than we were (or whenever we began to exist). However, even if true, this preference merely explains why we care about missing future goods by dying when we will instead of the goods we missed by being born when we were. Indeed, Jefferson owned several copies of On the Nature of Things. Alternatively, even if our non-existence before birth and after death both deprive, maybe death deprives us of something we care about, whereas we are indifferent to time we missed before we were born. Here is is Brueckner and Fischer’s version of Parfit’s thought experiment: Imagine that you are in some hospital to test a drug. If we concede that being born “late” is just as bad as dying “early,” then maybe we should lament. Our concerns, memories, hopes, relationships, and all that makes our lives worth living matters to each of us. You awaken and ask the nurse about your situation. Cyril Bailey, Oxford University Press, 1920. - The Daily Idea. See my “Coming Into and Going Out of Existence,” in Exploring the Philosophy of Death and Dying, Travis Timmerman and Michael Cholbi, eds, Routledge 2020. That is what death threatens. This applies to those who think death is annihilation and maybe even more so to those who deny it. Her parents wanted a child but not until they were older. But are they right? ... William Stephens, in another essay, focuses on the Roman poet Lucretius, an Epicurean, and how the poet condemns monogamy as unnatural and what we would now consider romantic love as merely mental disturbance. Unless we can somehow push everything back in time in lock-step unison, our thick personhoods cannot possibly exist earlier than they do.[13]. Many other philosophers develop the deprivation account, including Fred Feldman, in Confrontations with the Reaper, Oxford University Press, 1992; Ben Bradley, in Well-Being and Death, Oxford University Press, 2009; and Shelly Kagan, in Death, Yale University Press, 2012; and many more. [3], If we concede that being born “late” is just as bad as dying “early,” then maybe we should lament both when we were born and when we will die.[4]. Feldman, Fred, “Some Puzzles About the Evil of Death,”, Kaufman, Frederik, “Coming Into and Going Out of Existence,” in. ), I can nevertheless easily imagine extending my established biography past tomorrow, but I cannot imagine my biography beginning earlier than it did. Granted, if continued life would be terrible, then death might not deprive. Permanent coma victims, for example, are obviously human organisms, but not persons in the sense in which you are a person, namely, as a center of rational self-awareness. Pp. [7] I might die later than I will, but I could not have been born earlier than I was. The ATOMIC THEORY of Lucretius as it relates to modern scientific theory . That is, if we cannot be deprived of impossible things and it is impossible for things to turn out different than they did, then we cannot be deprived by the way things turned out. McMahan, Jeff, “The Lucretian Argument,” in, Timmerman, Travis, “Avoiding the Asymmetry Problem,”. 'Live covertly' ("lathe biosas") is THE saying of the epicurist: one who is wise does not matter about politics or commerce, and stays unmarried. It seems possible that the pedestrian might not have stepped off the curb when he did and into the path of the car that struck and killed him. The implications of this view are profound: the proper study of the world is the province of natural I think it must be granted that our emotional reactions toward pleasures lost by early death are quite different from our emotional reactions toward similar pleasures lost by late birth. So even if it is possible for the Milky Way to have formed earlier than it did, one is not deprived of that additional possible time simply because the Milky Way did not form earlier than it could have. Brueckner, Anthony, and Fischer, John Martin, “Why Death is Bad,” Philosophical Studies 50 (1986) pp. Death, Epicurus argued, cannot touch us because “while we exist death is not present, and when death is present we no longer exist.” Since death cannot touch us it cannot be bad. So to return to the intuitive response to Epicurus: since death typically deprives us of good life experiences, that’s what makes it bad, thus justifying some appropriate level of fear. Epicureanism is a system of philosophy founded around 307 BC based upon the teachings of the ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus.Epicureanism was originally a challenge to Platonism.Later its main opponent became Stoicism.. The standard view, named "militant Epicureanism" by the editors, is equated with Peter Gay's "black-and-white" portrayal of Lucretius in The Enlightenment: an interpretation (1, 2). He was about 19 when Aristotle died, and he studied philosophy under followers of Democritus and Plato. Is there aught that looks terrible in this, aught that seems gloomy? He succeeded by applying common words to a technical use. (Winter 2019 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed. The Epicurean view of the world is that it is composed entirely of atoms moving about in infinite space. The earlier IVF human being would indeed be identical to the later one, but the term “human being” is ambiguous between “human organism,” which is a biological concept, and “, So the embryo could have been implanted earlier, which would have resulted in the same. It shows the extent to which Epicurus' driving force is a therapeutic one, with physics subordinate to ethics. 55 BCE) is the author of De Rerum Natura, a work which tries to explain and expound the doctrines of the earlier Greek philosopher Epicurus. [13]Travis Timmerman, “Avoiding the Asymmetry Problem,” Ratio 31/1 (2018) pp. Epicurus and Lucretius on the Fear of Death, Brueckner, Anthony, and Fischer, John Martin, “Why Death is Bad,”, Brueckner, Anthony, and Fischer, John Martin, “The Asymmetry of Early Death and Late Birth,”. [9] Jeff McMahan (in “The Lucretian Argument,” in The Good, the Right, Life and Death: Essays in Honor of Fred Feldman. McDaniel, Kris (ed). [6] Fischer and Brueckner, “The Asymmetry of Early Death and Late Birth,” Philosophical Studies 71 (1993) 327-31; p. 328. appeal to a variation on a famous thought experiment of Derek Parfit’s that purports to show our temporal bias. Lucretius presents Epicurus’ chief achievement as the defeat ofreligio. Surely death is bad if it deprives us of the goods of life. [12] Derek Parfit, Reasons and Persons, Oxford University Press, 1984. Kaufman, Frederik, “Coming Into and Going Out of Existence,” in Exploring the Philosophy of Death and Dying, Travis Timmerman and Michael Cholbi, eds, Routledge 2020. (For an overview of the many meanings of “possible” see Possibility and Necessity: An Introduction to Modality by Andre Leo Rusavuk). The former is clearly a misfortune, whereas it is hard to see the latter that way. Timmerman, Travis, “Avoiding the Asymmetry Problem,” Ratio 31/1 (2018) pp. This will be useful for us in the next few days because it is in their ethical positions that both the Epicureans and the Stoics reacted most Either Lucretius is a skilled poet of the Latin tongue or he is a slavish imitator of the great master Epicurus. (A “bias” is an irrational preference, since the idea of a rational bias seems incoherent.) There shared view is contrasted by the piece by Nagel. What is Epicureanism? She says that either you tried the drug yesterday (and had an hour of pleasure) or you will try the drug tomorrow (and will have an hour of pleasure). The ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus (341-270 BCE) says no. If I die tomorrow (contrary to fact, I fervently hope! McDaniel, Kris (ed). – 1000-Word Philosophy: An Introductory Anthology, Online Philosophy Resources Weekly Update - Daily Nous, Epicureanism: A collection of articles, videos, and podcasts. It also alludes to his ethical and logical doctrines. They then waited 15 years before implanting the embryo that in fact developed into this person. But here’s a problem: if particular gametes determine one’s identity, in vitro fertilization (IVF) shows how the same human being could exist earlier. Natural but unnecessary desires: like sexuality, something that should be avoided according to Epicurus, because it often brings too many worries. Natural and necessary desires: food, sleep, things we simply cannot miss in life, life without them is not possible. Epicureanism became an important and widespread philosophy. EPICURUS and Epicurean Philosophy. STUDY GUIDE to De Rerum Natura from Brooklyn College Someone with a working knowledge of these other thinkers is needed to interpret the meaning of Epicurus' few remaining fragments for the lay person. Bradley, Ben, Well-Being and Death, Oxford University Press, 2009. However, even if true, this preference merely. 1) Epicurus (341–270 BC) was an ancient Greek philosopher. In Epicurus and Lucretius, the goal is therapeutic. Locke, John, An Essay Concerning Human Understanding, 1690. 1000-Word Philosophy: An Introductory Anthology, Author: Frederik Kaufman [9] If the embryo from which a person developed were implanted earlier than it was, it seems that that same person could have existed earlier than she did. 1-10. Parfit, Derek, Reasons and Persons, Oxford University Press, (1984). For a recent reappraisal of Epicurus’ thought, and an analysis especially useful for the differences between Epicurus and Lucretius, see Strozier, Robert M., Epicurus and Hellenistic Philosophy (Lanham 1985), especially 141 –51.Strozier examines those passages where … – Both Epicurus and Lucretius are assuming that the subject of harm must be a person who exists at the time that the harm occurs, and that, if they are harmed, then the harm must affect their immediate subjective experience (they must feel harmed). [11] So even if an earlier existing human organism would be identical to a later existing one, that is not what matters to each of us. For when saw he that well-nigh everything Which needs of man most urgently require Was ready to hand for mortals, and that life, As far as might be, was established safe, That men were lords in riches, honour, praise, If Epicurus and Lucretius are right, then fear of death is irrational. But if it does deprive us of good experiences, then it is bad because it is bad to be deprived of any good.[2]. Alternatively, even if our non-existence before birth and after death both deprive, maybe death deprives us of something we care about, whereas we are indifferent to time we missed before we were born. Our concerns, memories, hopes, relationships, and all that makes our lives worth living matters to each of us. Ch 12, “Why Our Identity Is Not What Matters.” Parfit argues that our continuing psychological sense of ourselves is what matters, not whether from some metaphysical point of view there is just one self-identical entity. To miss out on time alive by dying in a car crash tomorrow hardly compares with missing out on time alive because the Milky Way formed later rather than earlier. 4) Sir William Temple, 1st Baronet (25 April 1628 – 27 January 1699) was an English statesman and essayist. If we deny that, then we must also abandon the idea of deprivation, since deprivation implies that there could have been a different outcome of events. Cyril Bailey, Oxford University Press, 1920, III. Living organisms survived because of their strength, speed, or intellect. On the other hand, we can at least try to start viewing late birth as a bad thing. Death, Epicurus argued, cannot touch us because “while we exist death is not present, and when death is present we no longer exist.” Since death cannot touch us it cannot be bad. The Roman philosopher Lucretius (94- circa 55 BCE) agrees, and he defends Epicurus. Epicurus, Lucretius, and Nagel are philosophers with very different views on death, and whether death is bad for the person who dies. But it is possible to die later than one will, so we can be deprived of that time. The issue of interest is not Lucretius' literary integrity or brilliance, but his effectiveness as an Epicurean expositor and missionary. Epicurus argues that we should restrict desires to those which are natural, necessary, and cannot be eliminated. 213-21, p. 219. On the one hand, we can follow Lucretius and cease viewing early death as a bad thing for Claudette. He argues that death— as the permanent extinction of consciousness—is not bad, so we should not fear it. Since it is impossible for thick persons to exist earlier than they do, one cannot be deprived of time before birth. The poem is the fullest extant statement of the physical theory of the Greek philosopher Epicurus. The drug induces intense pleasure for an hour followed by amnesia. Conversely, Superman, were he to exist, would be a person in that sense, though obviously not a member of our species. For Epicurus, happiness (understood as pleasure) is the only thing that has intrinsic value, that is, pleasure is the only thing valuable for its own sake; it is the end with respect to which everything else is a means, and so it is the ultimate goal in life. Locke distinguished sharply between the “man” or the human organism and the “person,” which Locke said is “a thinking intelligent being, that has reason and reflection, and can consider itself as itself, the same thinking thing, in different times and places.”. Here is a more promising response. HISTORICAL BACKGROUND and study questions for DRN. As always... By Cassius Amicus Published October 17, 2020 Lucretius Today Podcast Anyone born earlier would not be me, because different gametes would produce a different individual. [8] If so, then I can rationally lament the one but not the other. But here’s a problem: if particular gametes determine one’s identity, in vitro fertilization (IVF) shows how the same human being could exist earlier. But it. Today’s episode is from Book Three, and focuses on the argument that both “mind” and “spirit” are corporeal. Categories: Ethics, Metaphysics, Historical Philosophy Although this Latin word is correctly translated intoEnglish as ‘religion’, its literal meaning is‘binding down’, and it therefore serves Lucretius as aterm, not for all attitudes of reverence towards the divine, but forthose which cow people’s spirits, rather than, as he thinks suchattitudes should, elevate them to a joyful state of tranquility. Most histories of atheism choose the Greek and Roman philosophers Epicurus, Democritus, and Lucretius as the first atheist writers. Christians crushed pagan philosophy, detested Epicureanism. Ashgate, 2006. Lucretius says there is a limit to the pleasure we can have, and that pleasure is the absence of pain (Line 18, book two, On the Nature of Things) Some scholars consider the epic poem De rerum natura (Latin for On the Nature of Things) by Lucretius to present in one unified … This common sense reaction to Epicurus plays right into Lucretius’ hands. McMahan, Jeff, “The Lucretian Argument,” in The Good, the Right, Life and Death: Essays in Honor of Fred Feldman. He shows this by means of highly original thought experiments whereby a person undergoes fission, resulting in two streams of consciousness; since there are two, they cannot be numerically identical. Lucretius’ “On the Nature of Things” begins with a tribute to Venus (at the centre of this painting), but very quickly the author switches his attention to the philosopher Epicurus. [12], If I die tomorrow (contrary to fact, I fervently hope! A rigorous and comprehensive comparison of Epicurus and Lucretius is beyond the scope of this essay. Is that fear rational? Thisreport was given credence in the seventeenth century: the CambridgePlatonist Henry More traced the origins of ancient atomism b… BIOGRAPHY of Lucretius and basic information about his work. It is shown that in seeking to come to terms with nature, Epicurus and Lucretius have a conception of the normative self that is thoroughly in line with the mainstream tradition of Greek philosophy. Unnatural desires: like richness and ambition, these should absolutely be avoided. BCE Stoic philosopher) reported thatancient Greek atomism can be traced back to a figure known as Moschusor Mochus of Sidon, who lived at the time of the Trojan wars. So they had IVF and had the resulting embryos frozen. Ashgate, 2006. According to a passing remark by the geographer Strabo,Posidonius (1stc. So Epicurus concludes that fearing death is pointless.[1]. Lucretius Today Podcast 40 – The Argument that Mind and Spirit Are Material. 88-102; Timmerman argues that since the Milky Way could have begun earlier than it did, someone could be deprived of the time he or she could have had had the Milky Way formed earlier. However, this is hard to believe and even harder to actually do. Nagel, Thomas, “Death,” reprinted in Mortal Questions, Cambridge University Press, (1979). Lucretius, On the Nature of Things, trans. [2] For development of this argument, see Thomas Nagel’s seminal article, “Death,” reprinted in Mortal Questions, Cambridge University Press, 1979. pp. Kagan, Shelly, Death, Yale University Press, 2012. 3) Titus Lucretius Carus (c. 99 BC-c. 55 BC) was a Roman poet and philosopher. Is there aught that looks terrible in this, aught that seems gloomy? Since while dying we still exist 3 ) titus Lucretius Carus ( c. epicurus and lucretius BC-c. BC... [ 6 ] ) titus Lucretius Carus ( c. 99 BC-c. 55 BC ) was a Roman philosopher politician! 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